Some Anti-Theist Religious Bits & Pieces: Round Fifteen

Of all of those Big Questions principal to philosophical principles that surround life, the universe and the entirety, the geographical regions of theology and religions and the character of deities retain to fascinate. Opinions proliferate in books, articles, videos, conversations in bars and pubs, and in reality anywhere and everywhere or greater people are in proximity. There’s the seasoned aspect; there’s the anti-aspect. There are not too many fence-sitters. I’m still inside the anti-camp as the subsequent bits and pieces illustrate.

Regarding Religion

*The large diversity of spiritual faiths is a primary argument against spiritual religion.

*Religions of necessity creates an “us-and-them” mentality.

*Christians are in favor of freedom of faith as lengthy as it’s their faith.

*If you ever need to recognize what is wrong with your religion, just ask any person from an opportunity religion. They’ll be very pleased to inform you.

*Teach a child one religion and also you indoctrinate them. Teach them many faiths and also you inoculate them.

Regarding Religion vs. Science

*If the Bible is so all scientifically spot-on, then Galileo and Copernicus would never have gotten into the theological hot water so to talk. Even the Pope, John Paul II in the end needed to confess centuries later in October 1992 that Copernicus and (especially) Galileo got it right and that the Church become wrong and had executed these scientists an excessive disservice and injustice.

*When examining some of my records of science comes, what do I discover?

The Ancient Greeks had been acknowledged for his or her mathematics, observations in natural records and physics. They additionally got here up with the idea of an educational institution of higher learning, and admittedly no science, they may be in reality associated with the idea of the Olympic Games.anti theist

The Arabs excelled at arithmetic and astronomy.

The Polynesians have been masters at maritime and celestial navigation.

The Ancient Egyptians are associated with large achievements in engineering and also mummification.

The Mayans were fantastic observational astronomers even with none instrumentation.

The Incas are renowned for his or her engineering production and for metallurgy.

The Chinese are regarded for severa discoveries from chemistry to geophysics to astronomy and medicine.

The Vikings have been grasp seafarers.

Several ancient cultures independently got here up with the aerodynamic concepts governing the discovery of the boomerang – no longer related to the Bible of path.

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Alas, the Bible and Biblical characters do no longer charge any point out at all. Historians of science do not renowned any contribution to science from the Bible or via the characters related to the Bible. If whatever, the ‘technology’ within the Bible receives a big thumbs down.

Regarding Faith & Belief

*A perception device that hasn’t changed in 2000 years that isn’t always self-correcting is not worth squat because it is not able to learning some thing new.

*I’d as a substitute not realize the answer than make stuff up.

*Now I recognise that the world is a very terrifying place, therefore you feel very insecure and on my own and small within this sea of humanity it really is definitely bloodless and indifferent and uncaring about you. So, it is no wonder that you pick to stay as a whole lot as possible in a l. A.-la-land wonderland inhabited by an invisible magic guy within the sky, a Big Brother figure who will look once you.

*Christian theists constitute simply one religion amongst many numerous faiths. I have no greater purpose to believe in that religion and to accept that faith than each you and I both do with appreciate to any of the opposite faiths. The most effective tiny difference between us is which you’re an atheist when it comes to all faiths but one; I’m an atheist with regards to all faiths full stop. So to recap, I don’t agree with in your religion inside the equal manner that you don’t accept as true with in all of the others who have their faith tied up in all of the different faiths that are not your religion.religious

*You can also declare to have real ‘understanding’ that God exists in preference to just a diploma of personal religion or notion that God exists, but irrespective of the time period used, you cannot deliver that ‘knowledge’ to me in this type of manner or shape that I can independently confirm that ‘expertise’ for myself. Therefore, your ‘knowledge’ is nugatory to me till such time as you do simply that. This incapacity; your lack to offer me ‘information’ that I can independently verify, speaks volumes.

*But, speaking of ‘know-how’, I’ll provide you with a possible purpose why you believe you’ve got ‘understanding’ of God’s life, the (near) infallibility of the Bible and inside the fact of a supernatural Jesus. It’s all because that become the theology that was taught in the tradition / society / network / family you have been born and raised into, despite the fact that indoctrinated / brainwashed is probably extra to the point and a extra suitable term(s). Now , and I recognise, that had you been born and raised in all over again and in some other area your theological indoctrination could have been considerably unique. You’d guess the family farm on Ra, The Book of the Dead and on Horus. You’d have notion to your ‘information’ of the theology component and parcel of historic Egypt and you understand this to be real.

*So just due to the fact you declare to have some ‘expertise’ of something (i.E. – God & Jesus) does no longer in and of itself; of necessity, make that alleged ‘knowledge’ accurate. Many someone has had understanding that later proved incorrect.

*Faith is not scepticism.

*Assuming that each Satan and God are real, how did you really parent out that God is the good guy and Satan is the horrific guy? What mechanism did you operate to discern that out? You need to use your personal self-generated morality to determine the issue. If you use God’s morality it is imposed on you, then you definitely aren’t going so that you can use your own independent judgement. God is manifestly going to be biased in favour of God.

Regarding Prayer & Miracles

*Hands that assist are a ways extra essential than arms that pray.

*It does not count whilst you pray for rain nowadays when the day gone by’s weather forecast said the next day it’s going to rain!

Regarding the Bible

*Anyone can write words in a ebook like the Bible. But is there any independent verification for all of the Bible’s alleged supernatural happenings? Just because I read a ebook in quantum physics does not make quantum physics real, but much I might consider the writer. But I can exit and do the experiments / observations (or watch the experiments being finished) and persuade myself that quantum physics is certainly true because the ebook and authorship said. That’s independent verification.

*Here’s a Biblical analogy: I very lately watched the 15 episode TV miniseries on DVD “North & South” – before, at some point of and after the American Civil War. Now nearly all the locations in which the tales take area certainly exist. Many of the occasions (i.E. – Civil War battles; Lincoln’s assassination, Harper’s Ferry, etc.) definitely befell. Some of the supporting solid played virtually real historic characters like General Lee and General Grant and President Lincoln, etc. However, among the places, some of the events, and all of the fundamental characters had been entirely made up. Thus, “North & South” is a piece of historic fiction so just due to the fact one vicinity / occasion / person changed into real would not translate into the complete miniseries being something a excessive faculty pupil ought to watch in preparation for an American records exam.

*Consider Genesis 2: 24 (King James Version)

“Therefore shall a person leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.”

The best two people present and accounted for at this point in time had been Adam and Eve and that they did not have a mum and a dad (inside the conventional experience). So in which did this concept of parenthood come from all of the sudden; all of a unexpected? Well obviously that is just pure proof that Genesis changed into all the fabricated from human authorship; authorship that knew flawlessly properly that people come from people and that human beings have mums and dads. Said authors had to make clear that when their resourceful rendering of the first of all humanly discern-much less advent fable of Adam and Eve.

*I don’t have neither the time nor the inclination to undergo over six hundred Biblical contradictions, separately. I will point out one but. There are separate and aside Ten Commandments which are not complementary; they do no longer agree one with the alternative (apart from the very first commandment) – examine and evaluation Exodus 20: three-17 and Exodus 34: eleven-28 (and take specially careful be aware of the final three words in Exodus 34: 28). Suffice or not it’s to mention that I am satisfied the Bible is chock-a-block complete of inner contradictions. That’s further to all of the different nonsense I’ve already touched on and long gone through.

*Who stated that the Bible turned into God’s phrase? A human stated that!

Regarding that Biblical Talking Snake:

*I’ll also be aware that it is simple to attempt to discover Satan with the speakme snake looking back on the grounds that Genesis and Revelation are eons aside; as a long way aside as it is feasible to get. The revelation was written lots, tons later and might be twisted to conform to previous Biblical chapters and verses.

Faced with an Ockham’s Razor preference among the Genesis speak snake surely being a supernatural entity (i.E. – Satan) for which there is no real unbiased evidence that he even exists, or the talking snake being the product of pure human creativeness, that is a greater rational choice?

Regarding the Exodus

We all know the tall story of the way God commanded Moses (and later Aaron – Exodus four) to go to the Egyptian pharaoh (interestingly unnamed inside the Bible) with a request, well call for clearly, to allow God’s Chosen People (the Israelites / Hebrews) depart their alleged enslavement in Egypt so they could tour to the Promised Land – the Burning Bush myth of The Exodus (Exodus three).

God tells Moses that pharaoh will not pay attention to him while he requests, definitely, demands are extra the living proof, that pharaoh permits the Hebrew ‘slaves’ go out of Egypt, even after God has given the Egyptian kingdom (notice, no longer pharaoh) 9 plagues to cope with.

Despite giving Moses and Aaron a bag full of magic hints with which to convince the Egyptian establishment in their holy venture bona-fides, God additionally advised Moses (and Aaron) that Pharaoh wouldn’t listen to them (Exodus 7: four; eleven: nine) and permit His humans go (Exodus three: 19; eleven: 9). In truth, God knew earlier than-the-reality that He might have to get downright nasty with Egypt (the Egyptians in well known instead of the pharaoh mainly) as a way to achieve His objectives (Exodus 3: 20). So an immediate issue arises, why bother sending Moses (and Aaron) to chin-wag with Pharaoh within the first vicinity? It changed into doomed from the get-move.

In fact God intentionally and on several events, hardened pharaoh’s coronary heart to make certain Moses and Aaron would not be listened to[#] and to make sure Pharaoh wouldn’t permit His Chosen People pass (Exodus 4: 21; 7: 3; 7: 13-14; 7: 22; eight: 15; eight: 19; eight: 32; nine: 7; 9: 12; nine: 34-35; 10: 1; 10: 20; 10: 27; 11: 10; 14: 4; 14: 8; and additionally all Egyptians in addition Exodus 14: 17). What was the factor of asking Pharaoh to permit His human beings to pass after which hardening pharaoh’s heart to make sure the complete opposite result? Perhaps that just then offers God the sadistic satisfaction of causing cruel and unusual punishments on the Egyptian human beings through the ones ten plagues – be aware, no longer simply on Pharaoh, the best person to which He had an initial beef. In fact, numerous times Pharaoh became inclined to permit His people to pass and essentially told the Hebrews to piss off (Exodus 9: 28; 10: 10; 10: 24; 12: 31-33), however, no, God hardened pharaoh’s heart as a substitute.

What God should have completed, what God need to have advised Pharaoh immediately god-to-man (face-to-face), assuming God changed into going to be truthful-dinkum about His one and simplest one proper objective which became getting Pharaoh to let His Chosen People go away Egypt (in preference to seeking to show Himself to all Egyptians as an all-spherical sadistic tyrant by inflicting the 10 plagues), might have been that until Pharaoh allow His humans move, Pharaoh became going to take a totally long walk off the pinnacle of a totally tall and steep stone pyramid. End of dialogue; quit of trouble.

[#] And Pharaoh failed to listen to (or hearken unto) Moses or Aaron (Exodus 7: 13; 7: 22; 8: 15; eight: 19; and nine: 12).

Issues Arising 1: What turned into the point of sending Moses and Aaron to talk to the pharaoh whilst God knew Pharaoh wouldn’t listen and allow the Israelites / Hebrews leave Egypt and God Himself would make sure this on several events through hardening pharaoh’s heart? It was all an exercising in absolute futility if you were Moses and Aaron.

Issues Arising 2: What changed into the point of God inflicting punishment on the Egyptian people and farm animals (i.E. – the ten plagues) when it turned into Pharaoh and Pharaoh on my own who was the impediment – an impediment God wished to be an obstacle so God may want to strut His stuff and make damn sure that anybody knew surely that He was a study terrible-ass.

Regarding God

*If there certainly is an exceptional argument for the real existence of God, why are not theists using it?

*Even if God virtually exists, that during and of itself does not imply that this God is worthy of being worshiped.

*By the manner, an incorrect international implies a mistaken author.

*If you’re seeking to prove the lifestyles of God, which God are you seeking to show and why? Can you provide me any real proof that helps your God that does not also support another god(s)?

*God stated it; I trust it; that settles it.

*If you are really worth of worship, you wouldn’t call for to be worshiped. And simply because God (might also have) created you doesn’t imply of necessity that you are obliged to worship Him.

*If God created a ladies to be a companion to the male of the species, why didn’t God create a girl deity to be a companion to Him?

Regarding God’s Creation & the First Cause Argument

*I propose that God is clearly a paranormal flying red elephant how farted the Universe into lifestyles. Justification? We recognize that farting exists, even inside the animal state (my cats skip the wind for instance); we realize that flying exists, from insects to pterosaurs to birds to bats to airplanes; we know that crimson exists (pretty other than the entertainer); we know that elephants exist too. So a flying red elephant that farted the Universe into life is way extra-rational that presupposing any invisible magic guy inside the sky did the deed on account that we don’t have any real know-how that this kind of author deity surely even exists.

*Maybe God induced the Big Bang occasion however in doing so blew Himself up – oops.

Regarding God’s Omniscience

*If God is all-knowing then how can He be disappointed at you for sinning while He knew even before you had been born that you would sin?

*Some say that there’s no contradiction in being all-understanding and having free will. But in case you realize for absolute sure, and you are certain with the aid of that know-how, of what you’re going to have for breakfast day after today morning, then of necessity, you must have that breakfast. Otherwise, you failed to understand for absolute positive what became too manifest before-the-fact and you weren’t all-understanding. If you are all understanding then you don’t have any free will in the matter in case you do what you knew for absolute positive what you would do. Now both a deity has free will OR else it’s far all-knowing. The deity can not be both for the reason that that might be a logical fallacy or contradiction. Of path, the deity in question could be neither all-knowing AND have no unfastened will, which suggests that there may not even be a deity gift and accounted for at all. Further, if God is NOT all-understanding, then I’ll recommend that He would not understand a way to create an absolute something from absolute nothingness.

Rebuttal: Omniscience (knowing all) does not consist of understanding the destiny, due to the fact the future does now not exist (by using the very grammar of the sentence, it’d make no feel to mention that the future exists). So, simply as an omniscient being would not want to know the number of hairs on Harry Potter’s head (there is no such quantity, so there may be nothing to understand), likewise He could not understand the future (since there may be no such aspect).”

Rebutting the rebuttal: Some dictionary definitions to start with of “Omni”. Omni approach “suggests all”; “denoting all”; “an element of Latin starting the place that means ‘all'”. If you are ALL-knowing, the word ALL approach simply that – ALL. ALL encompasses ALL that is past; ALL this is present; ALL this is destiny; ALL is ALL that there may be to realize about life, the Universe, and the entirety. The word is “all-knowing” NOT “all (except for the future)-knowing. Argue with using the word “all”, now not with me. And through the manner, the destiny is deterministic given the laws, ideas, and relationships that rule the roost. One instance: the sun and lunar eclipses may be anticipated with reality thousands of years into the destiny. You should write a list of future activities, events should appear.

Rebuttal 2: Omni does certainly suggest “all”, however, the future does not exist, and so it isn’t a part of “all” any more than the quantity of hairs on Santa Claus’ beard is a part of “all”. There is no such range, so even an omniscient individual isn’t required to are aware of it.

Rebutting the rebuttal 2: Again, the word is “all-understanding” NOT “all (besides for the destiny)-understanding”. Further, given theist’s perception that the Bible is absolutely the phrase of God, the Book of Revelation is all about the destiny. Further, what about all of those Biblical prophets who had the absolute expertise of the future? Finally, I even have satisfied myself via rational idea tactics that loose will and omniscience are incompatible and contradictory terms.

Regarding God’s Will

*Since we were not allowed to eat from the Tree of Knowledge that might advise that God wished to keep us in a kingdom of natural and perpetual lack of understanding. Methinks knowledge, even expertise of exact and evil, is ideal to lack of knowledge and so the talking snake, Even and Adam, in the long run, did the right factor.

*Now just why could God all human beings to have unfastened will if He then will not allow said humans to exercising their free will without punishing them for it? That’s all of the extra the cases whilst if exercising one’s loose will the exercising of that loose will harm no other people. There are many “thou shall not” within the Bible that in case you do any of those “not” God will get you for that even though no character was harmed or inconvenienced in even the slightest way.

Regarding God’s ‘Morality’

*If you watched God is Mr. Morality personified, then please permit me to read positive adult-handiest Biblical testimonies in your young youngsters!

For instance (one among many):

1 Samuel 15:2-three (King James Version)

2 “Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I understand that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, while he got here up from Egypt.”

3 “Now cross and smite Amalek, and wholly ruin all that they’ve, and spare them no longer; however slay both man and woman, little one and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”

Now how will you provide an explanation for in your younger baby why God ordered infants and infants to be slaughtered? And what turned into the factor of killing all of the cattle? God’s insane!

*More about God’s crimes? God says “do now not kill”; God kills. Enough said! For elaboration I advise you watch on YouTube DarkMatter2525’s clip on “God goes on a mass homicide spree”. He offers forty-one Biblical references to returned up his claims.

*We do no longer, or we truly ought to no longer get our morality from God due to the fact He’s very plenty a ‘do as I say, no longer as I do’ kind of dude. Any high-quality association between God and morality is a first-rate oxymoronic affiliation. I’m geared up, willing and capable of skip judgment on God and God’s alleged ‘morality’, particularly on grounds that God, in the end, becomes created inside the photo of people. So I’m in the long run in judgement of fellow human beings, albeit human beings – humans who wrote the Bible therefore described God’s ‘morality’ – lengthy since became to dust and ashes.

*If you take delivery of God’s version of morality unreservedly, then you definitely are passing judgment upon God. If you do no longer take delivery of God’s version of morality unreservedly, both in part or in its entirety, then you also are passing on God. In both cases, you are the usage of your own internally derived standards of morality to either agree or disagree with God’s morality.

*Morality have to come from some authority. We (the human beings) ARE that authority.

Regarding Jesus

*Can Christian theists cite for me at least one inscription or record – NOT the Bible – that has been dated and authenticated to the technology between 1 AD and say 50 AD, an inscription or document that mentions Jesus, mainly a supernatural Jesus, one who carried out miracles and who become resurrected from the useless? Can you do that? If now not then please hold quiet about the life of current evidence for the real life of Jesus.

Because right here’s the point. Did any of the alleged (500 or so) witnesses (1 Corinthians 15: 6) to the resurrected Jesus, or any of the ladies or any of the disciples who noticed an animated version of him submit-crucifixion ever pen their own first individual account of this miracle? The solution is an absolute “no”.

And historical historian Josephus wasn’t born till after-the-truth (37 AD – 100 AD). He makes no point out of Jesus until around ninety three-94 AD in his “Antiquities of the Jews”, failing to say Jesus in in advance works, after which gives best two short mentions that have merited a whole lot scholarly debate (i.E. – not anybody is satisfied with the authenticity of what Josephus allegedly wrote. Further, there aren’t any originals – of direction. The earliest copies date to the 11th Century, so we are dealing with copies of copies of copies; translations of translations of translations. Who can, in reality, say what changes have been or might have been made by the ones Christian clergymen into whose care turned into located the applicable Josephus manuscript?

Even if in spite of all of the copies and all the translations and all the possibilities for those with vested hobbies to feature and/or subtract from what Josephus wrote, what Josephus wrote simplest gives historic credibility to Jesus the mortal individual, no longer Jesus the supernatural being.

*Christian theists do pass on, and on, and on, and on, and on approximately all of this evidence for the life of a supernatural Jesus and a resurrected Jesus (and an invisible Jesus, however never thoughts that). Yet two of the 3 principal monotheistic religions provide the concept of a supernatural / resurrected Jesus the absolute thumbs down. So why doesn’t their alleged evidence for Jesus reduce any ice with the True Believers of those other primary faiths? Methinks something is downright screwy with theist’s alleged proof – like it does not virtually even exist.

*Regarding the alleged resurrection of Jesus, can you believe the debacle that would get up if modern primary information testimonies inside the here-and-now were not suggested anywhere till 50 years after-the-fact. What degree of accuracy ought to you anticipate in particular if the whole thing were simply reported through phrase-of-mouth? Fifty years after-the-reality? Talk about alternative statistics rising and utterly faux information.

*Hercules is the actual new resurrection tale and Jesus is the fake news tale. The resurrection of Jesus turned into a barely transformed plagiarism of the Hercules resurrection. Now show me incorrect!

*The alleged “empty tomb” isn’t an argument for the resurrection of Jesus. Just because my cookie jar is empty doesn’t mean I haven’t any cookies. Or, just because I actually have empty pockets does not suggest that I’m broke.

*Sexual abstinence did not assist the Virgin Mary now, did it?

*knock, knock
–“Who is it?”
-“It’s me, Jesus. Let me in.”
–“Why do you need in?”
-“I want to save you.”…
–“Save me from what?”
-“From what I’ll do to you if you do not permit me in

Regarding Atheists & Atheism

*Theists might just benefit by watching on YouTube the call-in TV show “The Atheist Experience” (out of Austin, Texas) which is simply designed in particular for theists to name in and deliver their theism their best shot. I’d love to peer theists cross up again Matt Dillahunty who almost became a Christian minister (before he saw the light) and thus in all likelihood is aware of greater approximately Christian theology and the Bible higher than maximum theists do. I genuinely wouldn’t want to move up in opposition to him in a theological debate! So due caution: Dillahunty holds not anything returned and pulls no punches and takes no prisoners.

Science librarian; retired.